Secretary of Assert Mike Pompeo sat down for an uncommon interview with Brian Kilmeade on Fox & Chums for a wide-ranging interview, most effective heard in fat on The Brian Kilmeade Suppose. Brian asked the Secretary about the rocket assaults on Israel, democrats anti-Semitism, President Trump’s Nationwide Emergency declaration, North Korea, Google serving to the Chinese language defense power, President Trump’s upcoming assembly with China President Xi, Venezuela, Afghanistan, troop withdrawal, negotiating with the Taliban and his upcoming outing to the Center East.
Hear right here for the fat-unedited interview
Rough transcript beneath
[00:00:04] Secretary immense to seek you. It be immense to be with you. There might maybe be like four stories that happen on my plan right here to Washington to interview you one amongst which became a testimony this morning in entrance of a Senate committee where the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Workers Total Dunford made it definite that indirectly Google helps the Chinese language defense power with their technology.
[00:00:21] Here is the identical google that said no to a Pentagon contract reduction in 2018. They testified to it presently grand to the amazement of many on Capitol Hill. What’s your response to that.
[00:00:34] So I construct not have grand so as to add. I know what Chairman Dunford said this morning. He’s got it exactly moral for obvious but I will focus on to this more broadly. We want world corporations to shut reduction to the belief of the threat that China gifts. No doubt American corporations have to acknowledge that too. And when they’re there working right here within the US they with out a doubt have to treat the US on the least as right as they treat the Chinese language corporations with which they work together.
[00:00:58] And I guess that is what German Dunford became accumulate into this morning and I guess moreover maintaining on the China topic the day prior to this he went out of your solution to indicate that their human rights sage is unpleasant. You narrate they’re in a class of their very have in a league of their very have. They treat the Muslims the wiggers and all americans of their midst. And they answered pronouncing theU.S. have to aloof fear in general about their very have human rights.
[00:01:20] So I hadn’t viewed that response. Nonetheless it’s. It be every sad and. Reasonably identical outdated of the formulation they treat their fellow human beings there. Here is right here’s one amongst the worst human rights countries that we now have viewed since the 1930s the magnitude and the dimensions of right here’s genuinely a world percentage. Whether or not it’s the tigers that are in a single fragment of the country or Christians or other religions and other ingredients of the country they construct not operate that honor that non secular diversity the non secular freedom. And I’ve to claim I’m incredibly joyful with how we doing it how we treat human beings right here within the US. We fabricate mistakes. We’re wicked but there’s no nation within the history of civilization that has had the human rights sage that now we have right here presently. We desires to be very joyful with it. The Trump administration has continued in that tradition.
[00:02:06] So this sage coming right here presently. It appears to be like to be like as if the president and President Xi that they’re to meet at Mar a Lago. It be not going to happen until on the earliest mid April. What can you uncover us. I know alternate isn’t very your dwelling but you are very awake of the magnitude of this match what it might maybe maybe maybe well maybe mean for general these two superpowers to meet what is occurring on right here.
[00:02:25] So we are growth has been made. I guess that is fully moral. I guess every leaders have to ensure we now have had enough growth so as that the 2 seniors President Xi and President Trump can occasion and shut out any of the finest objects. I guess they favor to aloof manufacture that. I guess they favor to aloof manufacture it at a time when they’re every joyful that they might be able to accumulate there. Nonetheless I’ve watched these alternate talks growth there’s valid growth that is been made and I’m hopeful whether or not it’s the foundation of April the heart of April or if it even takes a pair of weeks longer we must accumulate this moral. These alternate relationships topic. It be why President Trump took them on. And I’m very hopeful that the 2 leaders can near together to accumulate a alternate deal that can profit not most effective The usa but the rest of the sphere as successfully.
[00:03:02] Secretary some have speculated that we’re on the skin seeing you and the president stroll away in Hanoi made them fear that they might maybe maybe maybe well maybe merely near all of the formulation out to Florida or Washington and stroll away with nothing which is in a internet page to be a humiliation to the Chinese language man.
[00:03:18] I construct not know if that is moral or not. I will uncover you from the abilities in Hanoi the president became doing the moral ingredient for the American folk he had The usa’s security Americans interests on the core of his decision making process. And so when a deal became offered that did not fabricate sense for The usa or frankly for South Korean and Jap partners he walked remote from it and made the decision to not steal that deal. I’m obvious the rest of the sphere bump into that and acknowledges the seriousness with which President Trumps they steal defending Americans thanks to the time alternate we had been on existence.
[00:03:49] And next ingredient you know you are on stage in Italy and the itinerary is blown up and I’m staring at you on stage you manufacture a immense job maintaining a poker face on as the president spoke and talked about the deal you had been going to have. Attain you feel in my conception that you just let him down.
[00:04:04] I construct not. I guess we made valid growth even in Hanoi even in a internet page where we didn’t reach the closing decision of what we now had been inquiring for all along. We didn’t accumulate an settlement for the fat and closing denuclearization and a verified plan. Nonetheless I guess we now have made growth within the weeks within the trail up. We realized loads about the North Koreans internet page within the days afterwards. I guess we now have realized reasonably bit more aloof. Here’s a lengthy process. The president’s regularly said if we can capture missiles from flying and capture nuclear check from going on that is an accurate first originate. We all know what the closing objectives.
[00:04:35] And manufacture you feel as if riding reduction on that aircraft that you just narrate to yourself What’s every person to voice about this.
[00:04:41] I construct not exercise hundreds of time being concerned about what others narrate the the critique. They will have their very have views. I’m confident that President Trump and our administration got this one moral.
[00:04:49] Middlebury Institute has gotten all americans’s attention featured on diverse exhibits for what they’ve been in a internet page to present from satellite tv for computer photographs about the enchancment of rockets and what the North Koreans weren’t doing and not doing. And in maintaining with Geoff Lewis they had indications even earlier than Hanoi that they had been beginning to rebuild some launching websites and sorting out engine websites. If that is certainly moral did that play into the truth that you just felt as if maybe the North Koreans weren’t keen a pair of deal and had been taking part in delay of game. Did you would have that identical knowledge.
[00:05:21] O’BRIAN I construct not wanna focus on the intelligence that we had but I guess the American folk know we knew exactly what became occurring inside of North Korea not moral with those websites you would have referred to but other locations as successfully. We all know what’s been going on. So theU.N. sage talking about the truth that there are violations of theU.N. Security Council decision taking internet page. We went in there with fat knowledge and eyes wide initiate. The president’s decision though to steal the supply which became. One fragment of their nuclear effort the skill Yongbyon which would have left missiles and warheads and other ingredients where they favor to aloof aloof enrich uranium. All of those issues had been aloof going to be there. And in alternate for that they asked for the near entire elimination of all of the sanctions that moral wasn’t one thing that made grand sense and the president communicated that.
[00:06:05] And in truth since that time there’s more indications they’re about to connect of residing up a rocket if one thing like that happens. What would that manufacture to relations. What other Arrow manufacture you would have on your quiver to ship him Tige that can maybe well maybe maybe elevate us reduction to where you had been if you happen to took over.
[00:06:22] I guess we’re in a smarter internet page than when we took over so I construct not frankly have to head reduction to where we had been.
[00:06:26] Nonetheless what if the rockets hotfoot off with a missile goes over Japan all once more.
[00:06:29] I construct not have to I construct not have to forecast what we are in a position to manufacture or what we might maybe maybe well maybe not manufacture within the match that that took internet page that can maybe well maybe that is maybe most sad. I guess Chairman Kim understands that he knowledgeable President Trump in Hanoi that he wouldn’t hotfoot reduction to that he wouldn’t hotfoot reduction to firing and firing rockets and missiles or conducting nuclear assessments we hope he’ll conclude to his observe.
[00:06:48] We moreover know that the Russians are cheating this video of them offloading cargo to a North Korean ship. So they’re breaking the sanctions. How can you accumulate the message across to the North Koreans if the Chinese language and Russians are ignoring the sanctions to a degree.
[00:07:02] Yeah. So there are fully sanctions violations and we are fully effective to conclude as hundreds of them as we can. Private a blessed day. Oh my goodness sure. No the Chinese language know this. The Russians know this. We have now shared the issues we all to find out about the violations. I will narrate this with the marvelous sanctions enforcement even the Chinese language and the Russians that we now have had at any time within the history of this bellow said it has been a world effort. TheU.N. Security Council resolutions had been voted on by every country. So while we have to not finest and these sanctions have to not being perfectly enforced we’re in gorgeous right shape and we’ll redouble our efforts.
[00:07:37] Wish to manufacture is hotfoot on social media. So your message to the Venezuelan folk and in general pronouncing hello I got you reduction. I stamp what you are going thru and wait and see. How rather more rubbish manufacture they’ve to appreciate earlier than The usa will get more right this moment concerned. Boy.
[00:07:53] It’s. I I’m pausing most effective on account of after I take into sage how immoral it’s a ways presently and what I are conscious of it might maybe maybe maybe well maybe be just like the following day and the day after that it might maybe maybe accumulate worse. The Maduro regime is genuinely putrid denying food to the hungry denying treatment to the sick. We have now delivered the American folk had been so beneficiant 200 metric heaps of food on their borders. They’d maybe well not let in. We’re persevering with to steal efforts. We had our team land reduction within the US moral a pair of hours within the past to accumulate them safely out of Venezuela. We’re committed to this effort. I construct not have to forecast what the president might maybe maybe well maybe merely manufacture but he is been very definite that we’re pondering every tool within the American arsenal to attain victory for Venezuelan democracy and to accumulate Maduro to recede have we attach troops into Colombia ready to act have to aloof they want be have to act. Fair question and I will let the Division of penstock about the actions of their passengers.
[00:08:41] Inquire of I am sure in Afghanistan moral now we stamp there is a draft settlement on two key disorders withdrawal ofU.S. troops in Afghanistan and the Taliban’s pledge to slash ties with these fear with fear groups al Qaeda.
[00:08:54] Are you able to converse that.
[00:08:56] I will’t. There might maybe be there’s no deal at this point. We construct not have closing decision there but we are training a political reconciliation. We have now been hard at it Ambassador Khalilzad has been on the ground in Doha for six or eight days reduction I guess the day prior to this. We have now made some growth every with the Afghan authorities and with the Taliban. We now want them to focus on to one one more. President’s made definite his purpose right here he desires to conclude this unending battle. Nonetheless he desires to manufacture it in a single plan that we construct not elevate possibility to the US from fear acts coming from Afghanistan. I agree with we can attain every of those groups.
[00:09:29] Secretary made clearly desires to accumulate out any lend a hand did he damage the ambassador and attempting to accumulate a peace settlement.
[00:09:34] No when the aim is to accumulate out we now have made more growth since that myth leaked than we had made within the 9 years prior in getting in direction of reconciliation.
[00:09:44] Is it moral that members of the Taliban procure that we attach of residing free accumulate infected at you when the old administration led out Gitmo. They’re. They’re fragment of those peace talks. Staunch now those that we alternate for Bowe Bergdahl hundreds of which described to the worst of the worst hundreds of which described a relationship with every bin Laden and Mullah Omar. Is that moral.
[00:10:04] I construct not have to resolution who’s been showing up there. I will narrate this. Is that acceptable. They’re I will narrate this we now have negotiate with some genuinely immoral folk. I became in Hanoi talking to a regime that has ended in first-fee damage to its have folk. Assert Division would not all once more and all once more accumulate to choose out exactly who it’s a ways we’re attempting to attain right security outcomes for the American folk.
[00:10:25] Most ceaselessly we conclude up talking to a pair of genuinely immoral of us and they might maybe maybe maybe well maybe be OK to conclude in that room with as a ways as you are concerned. If we can voice security for the American folk we’ll focus on with moral about anybody but the Taliban have captured a entire Afghan power company of fifty they killed 70 the week earlier than. Are we dealing from weakness.
[00:10:44] I construct not agree with that in any appreciate and neither manufacture the leaders on the ground along with Total Miller who’s commanding Resolute Make stronger I agree with we’re not dealing from weakness. We’re not naive. We all know exactly who it’s a ways we’re sitting across the desk from whether or not that is in Korea or Iran or in. Afghanistan. We all know who these folk are and we’re selecting aspects where The usa will likely be more stable.
[00:11:08] Secretary of West Point man you are a defense power man with CIA abilities a pair of years Congress but you manufacture have that defense power coaching that Ninety 9 percent of the country would not have.
[00:11:17] And to boot you served you know that Pakistan. The bellow. You understand they’re coaching arming and equipping and without them the Taliban or vapor. How for grand longer are we going to connect up with this.
[00:11:27] Smartly we now have taken actions in Gephart towards Pakistan that no other administration has taken. I I manufacture bump into this. I bump into this from company killed. You might maybe maybe well merely have to I’m obvious hundreds Sleek Yorkers had been killed when those towers came down. I’ve not forgotten the lesson from 11th of September. We want Pakistan to manufacture more. They’ve to conclude harboring this fear. We noticed what took internet page with India. The war that rose there on account of terrorist that departed from Pakistan. We want the pact 10 has to step up. They’ve to conclude harboring terrorists.
[00:11:55] You knowledgeable going reduction to China every 2nd you knowledgeable the polls you knowledgeable the Germans manufacture not manufacture a take care of Huawei. It be about 5G it’s about security. It appears to be like to be like as if they’re going thru it anyway. What would happen if every of our allies resolve to head with a Chinese language company to steer the formulation on 5G and to uncover the American folk why that issues so grand.
[00:12:15] I with out a doubt can’t Huawei and Chinese language telecommunications equipment in a single’s community and a nation’s community gifts an accurate possibility that the Chinese language authorities can have entry to facts that no American desires them to have. And so if you happen to focus on this going on in countries like Poland or Germany or theU.Ok. We’re very furious by that not most effective for American security on account of now we have knowledge saved there too but for the safety of their very have folk. Now we have entreated these countries to re-evaluate those policies. We discover about this technology as being threatening to their security. And we now have knowledgeable them if you attach this technology on your equipment this might maybe occasionally fabricate it incredibly advanced for the US to work alongside you in these kinds of.
[00:12:53] SECRETARY They attach not seem to be listening on account of Angela Merkel says we’ll hand our have intelligence thank you. And they aloof have that natural gas pipeline coming from Vladimir Putin into their country. The president knowledgeable him that an accurate suggestion. You might maybe maybe well merely have knowledgeable us not an accurate suggestion. Why are allies ignoring us.
[00:13:08] So there’s more work to manufacture. We have now made growth on hundreds fronts. We have now had some locations where we aloof have work to manufacture. Brian I accept as true with you. I wish Nord Inch 2 became one thing that the Germans would stamp offered possibility to the German folk while they’re asking The usa to toughen them they’re handing resources money to the Russians they must not fabricate it. We’re using American energy. Every internet page we can to push reduction towards these Jelen.
[00:13:30] Every person’s talking about world warming and the threat to this country if you happen to take a look on the head 5 threats to this nation. Where manufacture you atrocious world warming or local weather alternate.
[00:13:38] I wouldn’t attach within the head 5. Why. Resulting from I will depend to 5. They accumulate you the issues that present more possibility to folk I outmoded to suggest in Kansas than electorate all across The usa whether or not it’s the threat that we now have talked about presently from China the nuclear proliferation possibility that extends from Pakistan thru all those of us who’ve these weapon programs locations like North Korea where they might be able to promote these weapons. I guess I’m at 5 already but I might maybe maybe well maybe give you a entire list of threats that I guess we can enact alternate on in a single plan that can genuinely fabricate a distinction for the safety of the American folk.
[00:14:11] Earlier than I came in right here modified into definite the Republicans have jumped ship and made up our minds to not vote a vote with a piece of legislation that doesn’t affiliate with the president’s want for emergency money on the border outmoded to be in Congress. What you moreover a Harvard law man. So constitutionally became the president out of bounds. Attain you facet with the 59 they voted towards the president. What manufacture you facet with the 41 they voted with him within the 41.
[00:14:39] Why. I’ve spent hundreds of time with my Mexican counterparts this internet page at our southern border is valid. I give it some concept’s a disaster but call it what you can. The get website of not shining who’s coming in and out of our country and what medicine are folk or illicit materials will likely be discovering our southern border is valid. Now we have to steal serious motion towards the president’s executive impart does moral that.
[00:15:02] Whenever you manufacture more with the with the Guatemalan authorities. Jimmy Miralis who evidently has an affinity for the president for this country to conclude to stem the tide loads most these guys near up with.
[00:15:14] That is moral. These are largely not Mexican electorate who’re discovering presently they’re coming out of the Northern Triangle countries from Honduras and from Guatemala. We’re working hard. We’re attempting to every convince them they’ve to steal this seriously and lend a hand them fabricate the skill to manufacture so.
[00:15:28] As I walked in right here for the first time since 2014 if my stats are factual Israeli rockets came out of Gaza into Israel. Israel.
[00:15:36] What’s your response to that time. I noticed the stories as successfully I’ve not been in a internet page to converse them rather than I had the initial sage that said that there had been two rockets that they came out of Gaza that there weren’t any injuries. The Israelis have the moral to defend themselves. I’m confident that they’ll be in a internet page to manufacture that. I remorse that the of us within the Gaza Strip doubtlessly Hamas even supposing I allege we shouldn’t speculate fire these rockets and attach Israelis in hassle. This most effective gifts an elevated possibility of escalation one thing that we hope would not happen.
[00:16:09] Nonetheless you must always aloof know we are in a position to toughen the Israeli’s moral to defend the sea fear how grand the anti Israeli anti Semitic language coming out largely the Democratic facet in Congress hurts lengthy timeframe the Israeli American relations.
[00:16:22] I manufacture. I fear about it for a more than one arrangement not moral the connection between these two democracies but I fear about it on account of it undermines where we started presently Brian. The protection of the appreciate and rights and the non secular freedom of every human being. And so after I hear anti-Semitic remarks it saddens me and I are conscious of it undermines what’s the finest about the US of The usa.
[00:16:43] The myth I anew presently they talked about why is the secretary of remark doing so grand touring within the country from Iowa to Texas to Kansas. Is he running for president. Is he running for Senate.
[00:16:54] Like all of the complications now we have ever had I’ve viewed these stories. I allege all americans will get sad after I construct not hotfoot to Martha’s Vineyard like my predecessors did.
[00:17:03] They shuttle domestically to The usa as our first shopper. And I needed to head out to Iowa to focus on China and alternate and why it issues. I went to Texas this week to focus on energy and how American innovation and creativity have created first-fee wealth for The usa and elevated The usa’s geostrategic skill on account of we now construct not have to import as grand energy and hotfoot reduction to Kansas next week to focus on entrepreneurship. I’m doing this on behalf of The usa.
[00:17:31] I’m very focused on what I’m doing right here presently. Are you ruling out running for the Senate in Kansas. I even have. I’ve knowledgeable of us I’m not going to manufacture that lengthy timeframe might maybe maybe well maybe be or where I might maybe maybe well maybe be surprised in 2024 in case you are running for president. I construct not know if you might maybe maybe well maybe be but my wife might maybe maybe well maybe be vexed but your classmates doubtlessly wouldn’t. And lastly I stamp you make a outing to the Center East. I am next. Next week I will likely be headed off to the Center East. What’s the aim. Where are you going.
[00:17:52] So threefold attach of residing of objectives. I will likely be touring to Kuwait. I will likely be touring to. Lebanon and I will likely be touring to Israel on every of those locations a assorted mission attach of residing. Nonetheless the final theme in every of those locations helps those countries bolster their efforts to push reduction towards the Islamic Republic of Iran.
[00:18:09] And that is the rationale going to be the point of hobby. Iraq and Iran assembly forging relationships. Iraq’s ignoring the sanctions and Sizable Ayatollah Sistani sat down with the president of Iran. It appears to be like to be like as if through soppy energy diplomatic energy we’re getting our butts kicked over there what’s going on.
[00:18:25] I construct not bump into it that plan. The usa has been a stable supporter of Iraq. We aloof are working to steal down ISIS of their country. I had a conversation with the high minister moral a pair of days reduction. I guess we’re making growth and fabricate a stable just sovereign Iraq. Nonetheless there’s absolute self assurance Iran has its eyes attach of residing on taking capture watch over of that country. I construct not assume that is ideal for the Iraqi folk I are conscious of it’s not right for the US of The usa and we’ll continue to manufacture the battle there and stand up an Iraqi authorities is free and no more concerned with what is occurring on in Iran.
[00:18:56] There might maybe be a parliament member that claims we construct not have a diplomatic game moral now in Iraq.
[00:19:01] I disagree fundamentally. I know exactly what the diplomatic game is there. And if the Senate will converse my ambassador or step it up even more that can maybe well maybe lend a hand.
[00:19:09] Final question your predecessor famously in general admitted that he known as the president a moron. You might maybe maybe well merely have a grand assorted relationship with him. What does he not accumulate that you just accumulate.
[00:19:20] You mean what does my what my predecessor not accumulate yet to grasp about the president. Boy I construct not know my relationship with the president is one that it’s. An effort on my fragment to manufacture his vision for The usa’s distant places protection. He’s the commander in chief. He offers the route I hotfoot to on each day foundation and work my tail off to try to manufacture it and implement it for him. We focus on moral about on each day foundation both in person or on the phone. So I know what it’s a ways he is thinking so as that after I’m out talking with my distant places counterparts the sphere is conscious of I’m speaking a message that President Trump desires spoken.
[00:19:50] How did he eradicate you over. You on the beginning had been anyone else. What’s it that President Trump that you just attach of residing him on.
[00:19:56] He he won and became turning in on behalf of the American folk and agenda that a ways outstripped any other alternative. I became very proud to settle for the supply to be his director of central intelligence or the CIA director. I enjoyed my time there and I’m taking part in being the secretary of remark as successfully.
[00:20:13] And to boot you talking about not moral folk stress-free for a year for a instant time. Thanks so grand. Thank you sir
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